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Polyscoring
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posted 12-25-2006 08:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Polyscoring     Edit/Delete Message
Hello all,
i'm new to the Board but find it interesting. Thanks all for a great insight!

I have a few questions:

there is an "Examiner" named, José Antonio Fernández de Landa in MADRID, Spian. He is on a television show called En Antena.
http://www.antena3.com/enAntena/

he says, in Spanish, that he is a "World recognized Polygraph Examiner". i have never heard of him. Have any of you?

He states that his grading criteria is as follows:

15% upper Pnmo
15% lower Pnmo
30% Galvo
40% Cardio

Is there any school that teaches this?

He also makes Split Calls by saying one is telling the truth to a question and "lying" to another question on the same test.

Thanks for any insight

[This message has been edited by Polyscoring (edited 12-25-2006).]

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stat
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posted 12-25-2006 10:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for stat   Click Here to Email stat     Edit/Delete Message
No way Jose! Polyscore, I wonder if he accounts for the astrological sign of the Examinee (8%)and also I wonder if his smoke drum is sealed with real burro skin, or wax. All kidding aside, given such sketchy (if your claim is true) scoring and opinion rendering, it is a matter of time before a "vendetta" is levied against such a charlatan. Adios-----stat

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stat
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posted 12-25-2006 10:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for stat   Click Here to Email stat     Edit/Delete Message
After some research, I have it on authority that Jose uses (near)suprise intest questions, no pretest per se, and as you said, makes split calls---all live on "the antenna." However, he has great hair.---Well it's official now, he is world reknown, just as he claims.------stat

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Barry C
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posted 12-28-2006 08:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Barry C   Click Here to Email Barry C     Edit/Delete Message
Here's a story about an episode of the show. If it's accurate, it gives us some insight into the "test" he's running.

Here's the link, but the article is below:
http://www.pezcyclingnews.com/?pg=fullstory&id=4588

Manzano's Veracity?
Ever since Jesus Manzano came out with his tell-all tale of doping within his Kelme team and the pro peloton in general - questions have been permanently blasted about concerning Manzano's intentions, and at the core - his honesty. Was this merely an embittered ex-pro out to make a quick dime?

Apparently not. Manzano submitted himself to a polygraph test on the tv show, En Antena. ProCycling reports that Manzano "was asked to answer 27 questions on En Antena, with a polygraph test set up to verify whether he was telling the truth. In the majority of answers, the polygraph determined that he wasn't lying."

The majority of the questions it was found that he was telling the truth - but which questions told otherwise on the polygraph? The polygraph 'disagreed' about Manzano's answers concerning "the late Jose Maria Jimenez" whom he claimed was "hooked on drugs after years of doping."

More intriguing though were some of his basic motivations as told by the machine: "Manzano took drugs of his own free will, he never feared for his life, and he made his accusations in order to take revenge on his former team."

So even with, shall we say, less than noble motivation to cry the truth from the mountaintop, Manzano has told the truth...according to the polygraph.

Now get someone important up there: like Basso, Ullrich, and anyone else.

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Barry C
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posted 12-28-2006 08:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Barry C   Click Here to Email Barry C     Edit/Delete Message
Here's the original article (little difference):
http://www.procycling.com/news.aspx?ID=2572

Manzano takes polygraph test Former Spanish pro Jesús Manzano has taken a polygraph test while speaking about doping on the TV program, En Antena. Manzano has spoken publicly on numerous occasions about doping in cycling. His original claims have - indirectly at least - been borne out by evidence uncovered in Operación Puerto.

Manzano was asked to answer 27 questions on En Antena, with a polygraph test set up to verify whether he was telling the truth. In the majority of answers, the polygraph determined that he wasn't lying. Manzano said that Eufemiano Fuentes was one of the people who supplied him with drugs, and that his team director helped. He also said that he saw other athletes and footballers in Dr Fuentes' clinic in Madrid, although he couldn't say whether they were there to undergo a doping treatment.

Manzano also verified that he was given haemoglobin intended for animals, unlabeled drugs, and was made to pay €3,000 by his director for drugs during the 2003 Tour. The polygraph didn't agree with Manzano's answer about the late José Maria Jiménez. Manzano said was hooked on drugs after years of doping. Also according to the machine, Manzano took drugs of his own free will, he never feared for his life, and he made his accusations in order to take revenge on his former team.

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Polyscoring
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posted 12-28-2006 01:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Polyscoring     Edit/Delete Message
Barry and Stat,

Thanks for your replies! i actually saw his show while in Madrid and i watch the En Antena website and the polygraphs that he does.

Here is a clip of the guy during a test calling his examinee a clown and storming off stage!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08XDTgVZgF8

If you guys could read Spanish, you would be aware of the nasty things he's been saying about a competing polygraph examiner in Madrid and seems VERY UNPROFESSIONAL. He again claims to be an internationally recognized examiner and was curious if you guys had ever heard of him, because i havent!

Thanks!

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Barry C
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posted 12-28-2006 02:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Barry C   Click Here to Email Barry C     Edit/Delete Message
You don't need to understand Spanish to know that's not a real test! I think you have your answer.

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pal_karcsi
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posted 08-31-2008 03:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pal_karcsi   Click Here to Email pal_karcsi     Edit/Delete Message
Yo si conozco a Fernandez de Landa , todo un personaje.
No se de que escuela de Poligrafia se graduó, pero usa metodos poco ortodoxos.
Ademas , no esta registrado en la APA.

Saludos,

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Attila The Hun ,
lagellum dei

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Fed Employee
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posted 08-31-2008 07:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fed Employee   Click Here to Email Fed Employee     Edit/Delete Message
Ay Papi!

The following website is from Spain. I don't know the name of the examiner, but I hope it's not the same clown on the clips.
http://www.omnis.es/poligrafo/index.htm

Excellent website.

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ebvan
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posted 08-31-2008 09:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ebvan   Click Here to Email ebvan     Edit/Delete Message
Are we absolutely sure that José Antonio Fernández de Landa isn't just another name for the noted Spanish Polygraphador
Juan Grogano de Mierda del Toro?

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Ex scientia veritas

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pal_karcsi
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posted 08-31-2008 10:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pal_karcsi   Click Here to Email pal_karcsi     Edit/Delete Message
Omnis is a different thing. They had a mexican trained polygraph examiner , by teh way , quite good.
I worked with the fellows 2 months in Madrid.
Fernandez de Landa is a clown.

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Attila The Hun ,
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lietestec
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posted 09-10-2008 06:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lietestec   Click Here to Email lietestec     Edit/Delete Message
Actually, if he is known as a polygraph examiner by at least one other person in the world, particularly, someone outside of Spain - he is "world-known" as well as "internationally-recognized." So what do we call that, a "truthful liar?" Aren't word games fun?

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